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Post by Bobthedead on May 18, 2003 18:17:39 GMT -5
and if Adam and Eve created the first people(?) how come Judaism was there? Christianity was actually Christdom in Europe,
I am sorry to hear your soul will burn in hell ;D (JUST KIDDING). ;D
However, I dint get that part I quoted, I know a little about the bible and I dont really understand what youre talking about.And that question always bugs my because it explains itself, but I guess insects wouldnt believe we built houses if we wrought a book saying we did either.
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Post by Mimiru on May 18, 2003 19:27:28 GMT -5
I am sorry to hear your soul will burn in hell ;D (JUST KIDDING). ;D
... I wish you were kidding. (=I[/size]
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Post by Bobthedead on May 18, 2003 19:41:39 GMT -5
I dint say I was Christian, so I was kidding.
However, please explain that one part to me. (Slacker ;D)
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Post by Mimiru on May 18, 2003 20:16:33 GMT -5
I dint say I was Christian, so I was kidding.
However, please explain that one part to me. (Slacker ;D)
Eh-beh deh huh? You want me to explain what exactly? The Christdom thing? Or the Adam and Eve thing? From what I CAN BE correct from, I'm just going to go into detail about Adam and Eve.
:: Not going into detail, but the Bible stated that Adam and Eve were the first people on the Earth. Ok. Now, keeping that statement in thought, it's known that Christianity (Adam and Eve...Jesus, beliefs, etc.) that Christianity is a schism (or religion that broke off from another) of Judaism. SO. Now, back to the statement in your mind, how can there be Judaism, when there are no people on the Earth? So obbbbbbviously, Adam and Eve weren't the first people.
And about the Christdom thing.. Christdom was actually in Europe which was the early form of Christianity.. I'll go into detail later, if you want me to look it back up. ^_^
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Post by Hitomi on May 18, 2003 22:34:17 GMT -5
I'm Roman Catholic
(I'm too lazy to post about the Adam and Eve theory *yawns* but I will, and Mimiru does have valid points)
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Post by Bobthedead on May 18, 2003 23:17:46 GMT -5
:: Not going into detail, but the Bible stated that Adam and Eve were the first people on the Earth. Ok. Now, keeping that statement in thought, it's known that Christianity (Adam and Eve...Jesus, beliefs, etc.) that Christianity is a schism (or religion that broke off from another) of Judaism. SO. Now, back to the statement in your mind, how can there be Judaism, when there are no people on the Earth? So obbbbbbviously, Adam and Eve weren't the first people. Well, not to be mean, you really dont know much about the bible or Christianity (sorry, its obvious).
But just for fun I will try to explain that whole situation Adam and Eve, ok first the word schism does not really apply to Christianity, because that is the name for (I am thinking) Jews after the Old Testament, during the New Testament they (the people that believe in the bible) are called Christians. I know their are many other religions that believe in the bible, but the fact is almost all those (even Catholics) dont fully believe in the bible or dont agree in that whole Jesus thing. Making most religions "schisms" of off Christians.
Even if Adam and Eve where part of a "schism" religion it would not change the text from the bible. Moreover, the bible is the oldest form of recorded history, and has many branches of religion forming of it.
So the statement "This religion is a schism, that means it cant know who the first people on earth where" is completely false because Christianity focuses more on the truth of the entire bible, which can never be called a schism, and more religions are based of it than it is based of others.
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Post by Mimiru on May 19, 2003 16:37:16 GMT -5
Well, not to be mean, you really dont know much about the bible or Christianity (sorry, its obvious). Haha. I know that.. I stated that in my first post in this whole thread....Er, let me just cut you off right there. To put it in lament terms.. Judaism is probably one of the OLDEST religions out there. Christianity broke OFF from Judaism after a group of people decided that (I think it was Abraham) the Judaism's God wasn't their God/prophet/higher being/blah. Thus, a religion that broke off from another religion is a "schism." Here's the definition:
Main Entry: schism Pronunciation: 'si-z&m, 'ski- also 'shi-; among clergy usually 'si- Function: noun Etymology: Middle English scisme, from Middle French cisme, from Late Latin schismat-, schisma, from Greek, cleft, division, from schizein to split —more at SHED Date: 14th century 1 : DIVISION, SEPARATION; also : DISCORD, DISHARMONY ..and I guess that would be called a division of Christianity. Not exactly schism? LIKE I said though, I can't go into the "who believes in the Bible"... all I'm doing is contradicting some of the Bible where it states that Adam and Eve were the first people on the Earth. Well, I disagree with what the Bible has in it, being that it ISN'T the earliest form of scripture/writing/books.I beg to differ hun.. Judaism's Scriptures, what is it..the Torah(?) is prolly the earliest form of religious writing (since Christianity decidedly broke off from Judaism)---not the bible..I'm just going to make something bold in the definition of bible..
Main Entry: bi·ble Pronunciation: 'bI-b&l Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Old French, from Medieval Latin biblia, from Greek, plural of biblion book, diminutive of byblos papyrus, book, from Byblos, ancient Phoenician city from which papyrus was exported Date: 14th century 1 : capitalized a : the sacred scriptures of Christians comprising the Old Testament and the New Testament : the sacred scriptures of some other religion (as Judaism) 2 : obsolete : BOOK
..I dunno if that proves my point or not. ----ok..um, read my post again..Erm..not really. I'm stating facts. Christians created the Bible. Christianity broke off from Judaism. Is it a schism? Yes. Are there more schisms in the world? Yes. People were on earth before the Bible was MADE, so the Adam and Eve story was just a story.
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Post by DarkSaint on May 19, 2003 18:41:30 GMT -5
Well, seeing as how God is presented as an omnipotent, omniscient being, it wouldn't be so hard to grasp how he created everything. Do I believe or agree with this? Not at all. Just thought I'd point it out.
First, there were no religions to begin with at the begging. Second, all that jazz about Adam and Eve are just parables. Meaning, they simply convey religious messages. More so explaining man's ambition and his flaws.
Christianity simply focuses on the Bible, and can not be considered unquestionable "truth", not as fact anyways, seeing as how that would directly erradicate all other religions. And that, I'm afraid, can't and will not be accepted by other religious groups.
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Post by Mimiru on May 19, 2003 19:23:48 GMT -5
Well, seeing as how God is presented as an omnipotent, omniscient being, it wouldn't be so hard to grasp how he created everything. Do I believe or agree with this? Not at all. Just thought I'd point it out. [glow=white,2,300] It would be kinda hard grasping how he created everything, from jumping from simple beliefs, into science (aka B. Bang Theory, and all the other that other hublah.) Plus, if people don't even believe in a God, that would be more difficult to prove to a group of people.[/glow][glow=white,2,300] Then you answered my question. Thanks ^_^ And, parables? I never heard of them. I guess because I'm not exposed to Christianity as much. Moreso, it made me confused, when lots of people used to use Adam and Eve as a reference for the result of mankind, not it's religion.[/glow]
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Post by Bobthedead on May 19, 2003 19:29:55 GMT -5
Christianity simply focuses on the Bible, and can not be considered unquestionable "truth", not as fact anyways, seeing as how that would directly erradicate all other religions. And that, I'm afraid, can't and will not be accepted by other religious groups. Hey, I dint mean I believed it was the "Truth". I just was saying what I though the difference between Christians and many other religions based around the bible.
And could you edite your quote, my text is not orange. ;D
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Post by DarkSaint on May 21, 2003 12:51:24 GMT -5
[glow=white,2,300] It would be kinda hard grasping how he created everything, from jumping from simple beliefs, into science (aka B. Bang Theory, and all the other that other hublah.) Plus, if people don't even believe in a God, that would be more difficult to prove to a group of people.[/glow]Grasping and understanding the explanations given to us by religions such as Christianity is quite simple: God is omnipotent, omniscient and omni-whatever else. He, with His oh so great powers, created everything, which would obviously include all life forms. Now, these explanations, as are given to us, I find to be inconsistent and rather unjustifiable. And I consider people, who don't question at least half the stuff I do, to be either ignorant or simply gullible. No offense intended to anyone. Parables are religious teachings, used to convey a message to the reader. They are often presented as stories, like many stories in the Bible. Per say, if people actually took the Adam and Eve story to be true fact, it would directly contradict Evolution.(Evolution being way more consistent than a little religious tale) And I simply told you why it couldn't be presented as the one real "truth". Oh, and it's orange now. ;D
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Post by Roland Deschain on May 23, 2003 22:55:14 GMT -5
I was babtized when I was twelve years old. The more I went to church the more I started to realize how truly hateful Christians can be. They put god before their families. I could never do that. I love my family and would never put anything before them.
I believe that this world was created, it progressed(or degressed however you look at it), and will end. I don't know how it cam to be, I don't care how. I believe every living thing on this planet has a purpose and a soul. I believe that animals are just as important as humans, and that they live, think, feel, and die just like us.
I do believe there is a god, but I don't agree on how he is portrayed. I think we developed all these emotions by accident, maybe we created love and hate? He let us make our own decisions. For all we know we were just an experiment. Maybe he never knew we would feel these emotions?
One more question. Some people don't believe in evolution and argue that we were made in God's image. What if god was an ape and we are no longer in his image?
I have to comment on the Jews being first.
Jesus was a Jew(Jesus means King of Jews). They sentenced him to death. They had a choice of Jesus or Barbarus(a murderer). They could let Jesus go or let Barbarus go, they chose Barbarus. Jesus was crucified and the Jews watched him die. They didn't even try to save him. I'm sorry, but it seems like the group of people who witnessed his death would believe in him before a person of a 'schism' religion.
Sides even if he didn't have powers, they should still call him Messiah(savior). He died for them, he died with thieves for godsakes, all for a bunch of slaves.
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Post by Mimiru on May 24, 2003 10:25:56 GMT -5
I have to comment on the Jews being first. [glow=black,2,300]Be my guest.[/glow] [glow=black,2,300]He was when they dubbed him that name.[/glow] [glow=black,2,300]Listen. I am talking about RIGHT WHEN, Jesus came about. The people under Judaism didn't believe that Jesus was their prophet/God, while another group did. They slowly broke off and became Christians..mmmkay? And didn't Jesus die because he wanted to wash people's sins away? I can't think. I'm rushing to leave![/glow] [glow=black,2,300]Haha. "Just for a bunch of slaves"..huh? I'm SO not even going to comment on how bias that sounds. Wait--I already did.[/glow]
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Post by Roland Deschain on May 24, 2003 22:35:18 GMT -5
Oh sorry bout that, I just tend to blab about religious issues. I truly haven't even found my denomination yet.
So you're Deist? You're very brave and I respect you for it.
I'll tell you about the bible when I've actually read it if you like, you can tell I have no experience with it. Sorry to sound standoffish. I'm just mad at the st00pid j00s.(j/k)
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Post by Skuderya on May 27, 2003 23:57:02 GMT -5
I could say that I am theist or deist, but I guess I am more agnostic. Furthermore, I guess I am an atheist.
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