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Post by Fanfair on May 28, 2003 13:13:10 GMT -5
What it theist?
I am a jew. ;D
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Post by Roland Deschain on May 28, 2003 17:58:21 GMT -5
Well, I'll apologize to you too. I'm sorry I said that. I had an arguement about that earlier, but I do wonder why they chose for him to die and not live. BTW are you very religious, I have a question. Is Elias what you call God? They mention that name throughout the bible.
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Post by OneWingAngel on May 28, 2003 19:04:57 GMT -5
The reason why the jews watched jesus die without doing a thing is because the jews diint believe that Jesus was *the one*...
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Post by Roland Deschain on May 28, 2003 22:05:39 GMT -5
Yeah, but they knew he was just and did no wrongs to anyone.
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Post by IvySprite on Jun 5, 2003 16:18:27 GMT -5
I am a Christian... brought up with my grandparents as Christians go to church every sunday morning blah blah blah. Matthew 13:13 "Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand" I am only telling u what i believe and in no sense am i telling u that u are right or wrong in what u believe. I am sorry if other Christians have run all the thee's and thou's up ur butt til u have wanted to scream and said u would burn in hell. I just believe that Jesus was sent to Earth to pay the wage for our sins... becuz the wage is death. So he died upon the cross for us so that we could be saved and have a relationship with God so that we would be able to go to heaven. The only condition was that we were supposed to tell other people about God and what his son Jesus has done for us. So whether u believe what i believe or not Jesus died on the cross for you so that u wouldn't have to, to be forgiven of ur sins. God loves u even if u don't believe he exists and on to the evolution thing. If we evolved from monkeys , why are there still monkeys? For all we know God could be a 5 yr. old playing with his toys and we could be his toys... but i believe that God has a purpose for every single one of us whether we believe it or not and the Bible says that God created me in his image. I believe what the Holy Bible says to be truth becuz God said it was. Just like when ur lil u don't question what ur parents tell u but i'm not saying i haven't questioned the Bible b4. All u have to do is ask God to make something clear to you if u do not understand. And u know what , he knew what u were gonna look like and what u were gonna be when u grew up and what u would do years b4 ur parents even thought of having u and i'm talking centuries too. Well if i've offended u i'm sorry i didn't mean to and u can yell at me about it but i just figured i'd tell u what i believed. -Chai
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Post by Hitomi on Jun 8, 2003 17:11:31 GMT -5
Exactly, God is the whole epitome of faith. Things that drive us, things that let us pursue the truth is what we call faith or hope. God, doesn't need to justify himself, because believing in him is showing that you could look beyond the norm, that you could believe in something greater without really needing proof. That your faith surpasses all reason.
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Post by IvySprite on Jun 9, 2003 21:02:14 GMT -5
Yep, well i was wondering why not as many people feel the same way about God, like y some people are against him becuz He done all of these things for us and then there are some people that can deny Him when they are sitting here looking at all the beautiful things he created. God isn't out to get anybody and he does exist... how else do they think they got here?
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Post by DarkSaint on Jun 10, 2003 23:03:57 GMT -5
When people say "in his image", they don't mean that physically. "In his image" deals more so with emotions, reason/logic, the capability to think, etc. In other words, the characteristics which make us 'Human'. And just to clarify yet another point, God has no physical form, he's an immaterial entity, much like a soul or whatnot. One which is omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient.
Jesus did die on the cross for us, and for rather admirable reasons. That much isn't hard to believe. Jesus is the son of a being such as God? Hold yer sea horses... that's a whole different story.
I already explained the part about the "image". Now, that purpose which you talk about, meaning that our goal and actions have already been decided and/or whatnot. You do realize, that if it is like so, we have no 'life'. Allow me to elaborate: If all our emotions and actions have already been decided by another will, meaning, predetermination. We really aren't making any decisions whatsoever, seeing as how we don't get a chance to choose. For instance, following the same idea of predetermination, I was meant to say exactly what I'm saying now, the exact same way I'm saying it now. Now, where do I decide what to write in all this? Simple, if everything is predetermined, I don't. By such, my comment on not actually having a "life" is justified. Which is one of the things I disagree with. I wouldn't want to be the toy of a rather naive little brat who chooses to throw us around as s/he/it pleases.
HAH! Did you even read what you wrote? And it's wrong anyways, the Bible justifies itself by using God as the (supposed) intermediate. Let me explain in a simpler fashion: The Bible says everything in the Bible is true because it was supposedly influenced by God, and then it goes ahead and justifies God having influenced the Bible, and why? Because the Bible says so. Get my drift?
We evolved from 'apes', not 'monkeys'. And there are still many of them, for evolution doesn't occur at the exact same time. It's Natural Selection. The species suffers physical changes in order to survive its current habitat. This process takes a very long time, up around a few thousands of years. Not to be taken offensively, but you're obviously uneducated on the Evolution theory. I suggest you look it up.
But that's all it is, "faith". And you see, not everyone shares the same belief as you do. And not everyone will believe like so. Faith does not provide evidence, no proof, nothing. Faith is just faith, not at all, fact.
Just a word of advice, I suggest you stop trying to present your beliefs as utter facts, for in all honesty, I don't believe they are. And just to clarify my stance, I'm not against God, but I will question and doubt Him if I really feel/need to. Believing in my current state, as you seemingly want, would only give me but 'blind faith', for believing in something of which I'm not convinced, thus going against my own principles and jumping in on the bandwagon which I critisize, thus making me a hypocrit. In case you're wondering, I'm agnostic, not entirely an atheist.
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Post by IvySprite on Jun 14, 2003 0:06:01 GMT -5
Like i think i said before i don't mean to offend anybody... i'm not stupid and I do understand and i have studied natural selection.. it goes along with why the same animals have different colors and so on. Ok i never said that things were predetermined either. I said u have a purpose and u do. He happens to know what it is. U get to make ur own decisions , but he already knows what u are going to choose... there is a difference. I didn't think that anything i said was going to bother somebody so much and i'm sorry that it did.... i BELIEVE it to be the truth whether u do or not and i accept the FACT that u don't.... if u want to yell at me somemore go ahead i really don't care
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Post by Roland Deschain on Jun 16, 2003 21:11:09 GMT -5
[glow=blue,2,300]Also on the evolution thing, there was no change in the ape' environment. No evolution was needed. [/glow]
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Post by DarkSaint on Jun 18, 2003 23:31:22 GMT -5
First, I would like to apologize to you Ivy, for there has obviously been a misunderstanding. I'm not at all yelling at you, I was simply pointing out a few flaws in what you stated. None of your statements offended me, and mine weren't meant to do so to you either. That is simply the way I argue, I'm sorry if it confused you. [/color] I simply assumed you were a little bit off on such concepts, and I was more so giving you advice. Do not take it offensively. Maybe I should use emoticons next time.
[/color] Indeed there's a difference, and there's also a difference from what you're saying now, and what you said in your previous post. In your previous post you stated <<"God has a purpose for every single one of us whether we believe it or not">> And this is exactly what triggered my arguement on predetermination. So the simple answer to this confusion would be, another misunderstanding, caused by a few erred words. [/color] Again, I apologize for confusing the matter, it was a total misunderstanding. And if it makes you feel better, the way you used " believe", instead of "know", is exactly what you should do in future discussions. People should try to stay away from presenting their beliefs as facts, which is exactly what I was correcting from you. Do not take it offensively, for it is not my intention.
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Post by IvySprite on Jun 21, 2003 20:40:52 GMT -5
OK i accept ur apology and have one of my own becuz since i am a christian i have to defend my beliefs alot and i'm sorry for being so harsh about it.I said in my first post that this is what i believe.. and i believe it to be fact so i will choose my words more carefully too, to prevent further misunderstandings plus i like emoticons so i think u should use alot of them lol
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Post by DarkSaint on Jun 28, 2003 8:27:14 GMT -5
Haha, I use emoticons once in a while, but not when discussing serious matters.
Oh and, I'm aware that people tend to consider their beliefs as facts, but when discussing them, people must realize not everyone shares their same perspectives, which is why they should be presented as simple beliefs, not utter fact.
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Post by Nikita on Nov 22, 2003 11:06:54 GMT -5
Technically, I don't know what I am. I grew up as a Protestant, but I've strayed now that I'm older. I tend to question Christians and Catholics, and their "views". After all, if God created the world, then how did God come into existance?
Of course, all of this is highly difficult for me since my family is Catholic, or at least my aunts and cousins and all of them. Mom is Nostic, and Dad has no idea. He grew up Catholic, but he never did have enough faith in one belief to really be anything. And I study Wicca, but I don't practice it. It's simply a way for me to learn. That, and it seems much more practical to have several semi-gods instead of one Almighty God, no?
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Post by Bobthedead on Nov 22, 2003 19:09:55 GMT -5
Iv actually pondered that question.. would it be easier for more then one god to exists or just one. I dont know how others have reasoned this question but Iv come to believe that if there is a divine creator that chances are it was his work alone. Or simply that he creates many smaller gods. Witch is hard to see the reasoning in.. I mean, hes god. Why does he need help? Simply put, god is by definition incomprehensible. You cant even come close to understanding the beginning, just that if there is a god, he is in himself all of creation. Many little gods would not be necessary. And Iv heard that people think there would need to be more then one god because of the workload. That put limits on god, it turns him into a slightly less omnipotent being, so now we go right back to the question of where those gods came from. Is it so much of a step to think that there was just one god forming the universe or that somehow many more formed? What are the chances doubled by each time you add on a god becoming existent at the same time as another, and those bring gods that just started working together? Even two sounds highly un-likely, so the more we add the lass believable it gets. And lastly, if there was more then one god, would they not have their own religion? To think that we would just be put here not knowing our gods is to assume that we should all be atheist. If the god concept has anything behind it then we are to believe that there is a much larger picture, and we have to believe in god for whatever goal is presented. So unless you are Buddhist, you cant really believe in more then one god without believing there is a right our wrong way to believe. To believe that we just havent figured out that there are gods not making themselves present because it doesnt matter is next to being atheist. So Im all for one god or Buddhism, and that Buddhist is something I should look into just to make sure I look into the only possible way for me to believe more then one god exists.
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